You're effectively threatening to kill off hundreds/thousands of civilians. This is my biggest issue with everything. Ye gods, why is this so fucking hard for some people to understand? Why is it that whenever someone bawls about a lack of nuance, it always seems to translate to "Why don't you coddle the villain because he happens to say 'for the greater good' or something?" Atlas has a highly toxic culture that's made repressing emotions the norm, mistreatment of others they deem lesser expected, the arrogance and complacency.Īll of these traits are present in some form or another in Ironwood, and this whole story arc so far has brought all of the worst aspects of Ironwood, and by proxy Atlas Culture to the surface.Ĭombined with Ironwood's own inflexibility, paranoia, and need to be on complete control.he's a total mess of a man who should have never been given so much power and his position in the first place, because all it's done is accelerate his own ruin. The true tragedy of course is that Ironwood's fall was arguably inevitable, because the very land he claims to love (the technology, the city of Atlas itself, but tellingly not the people) arguably played a huge part made his mindset so warped in the first place. Ultimately, Ironwood's Space Atlas plan is not about doing the tough but necessary decision (which is debatable in itself) anymore, but about soothing his wounded ego. Because of the people he scorned for not obeying his plan 100% taking action and proving how flawed his mindset ultimately was, even if they didn't really intend to, given their focus on saving lives over playing the big hero of the story. It wasn't because of his plan, but because of outside circumstances. HE needs to be the one in control, needs to sooth his wounded and twisted hero complex regardless of who has to suffer to get it. It's a logical progression that people like you and those who care more about their head-canons of Ironwood over the actual character keep on refusing to acknowledge.Īt this point he's basically obsessed with having HIS plan be the correct one, even if it isn't anymore. Oh fuck off with this character assassination bullshit. Make sure that you understand the updated spoiler rules before posting outside of this thread! HERE is the eleventh episode of Volume 8!Īlso remember to check out our weekly poll to rate the episode. Welcome, huntsmen, huntresses and hunters that prefer no specific gender identifier, to the official FIRST discussion thread for Episode 11 of Vol. Hide Spoilers Blur Spoilers Show Spoilers